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It seems as though everyone is trying to preempt build excitement before MWC 2012 with their next-generation SoC related news. We've previewed Qualcomm's Krait performance on an MDP MSM8960, and now compared it to Nvidia's Tegra 3. Not to be left out of the fray, TI has just posted a video comparing a tablet running one of its OMAP 5 SoCs at 800 MHz (probably an OMAP5430) versus an unnamed quad core Cortex A9 based device. As a reminder, OMAP 5 is designed for a 28nm process and consists of two ARM Cortex A15s and two Cortex M4s alongside SGX544 MP2 graphics.
The video shows the two tablets downloading videos, playing an MP3, and running through 20 pages of EEMBC's BrowsingBench, a test we've had in our hands for a while now and will be adding to our own 2012 smartphone/tablet benchmarking suite. The unnamed quad core Cortex A9 tablet is indubitably a Transformer Prime, and the 1.3 GHz SoC itself is almost indubitably Nvidia's Tegra 3.
Both tablets appear to be using the Android 4.0 ICS stock browser to load pages, as evidenced by the action bar and buttons. The OMAP 5 tablet finishes the 20 pages in 95 seconds compared to the quad core A9's 201 seconds. We saw OMAP 5 on a development platform at CES, and clearly TI's feeling good enough about its OMAP 5 ICS port to demonstrate performance. The timing for devices with OMAP 5 inside hasn't changed, with devices expected early 2013 and possibly late 2012.
Source: YouTube (TI Vlog) via CNXSoft
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25 Comments View All Comments Post a Comment A better comparison? by douglaswilliams on Thursday, February 23, 2012 "Javascript performance can be multithreaded at times but most of the benchmarks we run don't scale incredibly well beyond two cores. Making matters worse is the fact that SunSpider performance regressed on the Eee Pad Transformer with the latest update to ICS. I've included the old Honeycomb results as a reference for where things should be. Keep in mind that the Honeycomb browser on the Eee Pad Transformer was very heavily optimized for Tegra 3. It's possible that the same degree of optimizations just aren't present in the ICS version yet."This was taken from the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 (Krait) Preview Part II article. I wonder how much closer the comparison would have been had the browser in Honeycomb been used.
I don't know if this it totally applicable though because I don't know if BrowsingBench uses Java or if any of the pages loaded had Java content.
Can someone comment on this to help me understand/learn more?
douglaswilliams Reply RE: A better comparison? by Brian Klug on Thursday, February 23, 2012 This is the browser in ICS though which is an evolution of the browser in Honeycomb, and ends up using an improved version of V8/Webkit.Actually going forward the most threaded browsing experience will be Chrome on Android, which from the testing I've done before is very nicely multithreaded.
EEMBC BrowsingBench isn't a JavaScript test like Sunspider/Browsermark, just straight loading pages, timing, and making sure they're loaded fully/compliant.
-Brian
Brian Klug Reply RE: A better comparison? by gamoniac on Friday, February 24, 2012 The browsers are multi-threaded but javascript does not support multi-threading until HTML 5's web worker feature. All javascript snippets on a pre-HTML 5 page run in one thread, although the browser could load images/files with multi threads. I doubt these benchmarking tools run in HTML 5, do they? 
gamoniac Reply RE: A better comparison? by watersb on Thursday, February 23, 2012 JavaScript is not Java. SunSpider doesn't measure Java performance.I couldn't tell from your comment if you were asking about Java as a separate from JavaScript or conflating two.
I'm typing this on an iPad: Safari on the iPad tablet doesn't support Java at all, right? And while Android native apps are written in Java, they are compiled to a not-quite-Java binary. I don't think the Android WebKit browser supports Java, either.
So: Javascript performance is one of the things being tested in this demo. But not Java.
watersb Reply RE: A better comparison? by MantasPakenas on Thursday, February 23, 2012 Has anyone else noticed that it's actually Honeycomb being used on the TI platform? (back and home buttons give it away). Given that much more development time has been put into optimizing Honeycomb and it's browser (as witnessed by worsened JS performance on Transformer Prime's 4.0.3 browser), could it be on purpose that TI didn't do an apples to apples comparison?I wonder what the result would be if Chrome Beta was used and both platforms were running ICS. On my Transformer Prime, Chrome Beta scores way better than stock browser did on Honeycomb (unfortunately, there's no way to compare Chrome on Honeycomb), and it's a better threaded browser.
So this video is suspicious already. Add the fact that there's no way to tell if Tegra3 is not running PowerSaver mode, which would immensely cripple performance in the scenario being benchmarked, and it's hard to take the video seriously.
That said, I hope OMAP5 performance will blow Tegra3 out of the water, progress FTW! :)
MantasPakenas Reply RE: A better comparison? by JMC2000 on Thursday, February 23, 2012 The weird thing is that the TF Prime actually loaded the pages faster than the OMAP5432 device, but was hobbled by horribly slow page transitions.The Prime loaded page one faster, fell behind on page 2, then somehow caught up by page 10.
JMC2000 Reply RE: A better comparison? by hechacker1 on Thursday, February 23, 2012 It looked like it was getting hung up on networking performance. If you notice, they are both running off a cached local IP server.So maybe it's CPU starved to process packet information in time. Or TI's networking is just better.
hechacker1 Reply hmm by jjj on Thursday, February 23, 2012 Got to wonder what kind of storage and connectivity TI is using to get such results. 
jjj Reply RE: hmm by Brian Klug on Thursday, February 23, 2012 EEMBC BrowsingBench works over local network, and you can actually see in the video that they're loading pages over a 192.168.1.x subnet. For example, right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...No doubt they're using TI WiLink on their own reference design, and the Transformer Prime is some other similar single spatial stream 802.11n.
-Brian
Brian Klug Reply Available now vs. shipping in a year by dagamer34 on Thursday, February 23, 2012 I would hope TI's platform beats nVidia's, at best it comes out at the end of the year!!! 
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slaughter111 Reply Why the archaic support? by PeskyLittleDoggy on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 "The drivers support all GeForce 6000-series and newer cards on desktops, and most GeForce 8000-series and newer chips and DirectX 10 and 11-capable Quadro chips on laptops."
PeskyLittleDoggy Reply RE: Why the archaic support? by PhoenixEnigma on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 Well, a 512MB 6800 Ultra would just barely meet the minimum requirements for Skyrim, and a pair of them might even garner you playable framerates. I suppose it's not impossible that it's being done, but it's certainly an edge case.
PhoenixEnigma Reply RE: Why the archaic support? by Qasar on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 supporting their products long after they've ceased to be a revenue source ??
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BigDragon Reply RE: Why the archaic support? by aguilpa1 on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 Yea I was upgrading a large tower for a friend this past weekend with a 560Ti. He had an old 8800GTX I had given him a few years back and I tested Skyrim on it at 1920x1080 and med. resolution settings. It played surprisingly fast and looked good. You can't always rule out an old dog with new games. Granted the 6800 is an even older dog. 
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