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Friday, 2 March 2012

Pulse-Eight USB CEC Adapter Review

by Ganesh T S on 1/24/2012 7:45:00 PM
Posted in Home Theater , Pulse-Eight , HDMI , CEC

Pulse-Eight traces its roots to XBMC and concentrates on hardware products (such as pre-built XBMC-based HTPCs and HTPC accessories). One of their most attractive products is the USB CEC adapter, aimed at providing PCs with HDMI CEC functionality. While almost all HTPC oriented GPU cards have HDMI outputs, none of them have CEC functionality. There are a number of CEC solutions for PCs, but none of them are as affordable as the Pulse-Eight USB CEC Adapter that we will be talking about.


Before going into the details, let us have a small detour to talk about HDMI's CEC feature.

HDMI CEC - A Primer

CEC stands for Consumer Electronics Control. It is implemented as a single wire bus in the HDMI connector (pin 13). It allows various HDMI-enabled products to connect and communicate with each other. The intent is to enable one remote control to interface with all the A/V components. Before we go into further details, let us get the Wikipedia link out of the way. It provides a very high level view of what CEC can do for the end user, and the various names under which it is advertised by the TV manufacturers. Various message opcodes can be exchanged between the connected systems in order to do device specific actions (like recording on a STB/DVR) or get general information across (like transferring remote control key press details).

In any HDMI setup, the display is considered to be the root, and gets allocated two special tags, a physical address of 0.0.0.0 and a logical address of 0. In any given system, all CEC enabled devices have both physical and logical addresses, while the non-CEC devices have only physical addresses. Physical addresses are taken up based on the position of the device with respect to the root. For example, if an A/V receiver's output is connected to HDMI1 of the TV, it gets the physical address 1.0.0.0. A device connected to the first HDMI input port of the A/V receiver would get the address 1.1.0.0, while one connected to the second HDMI port would get 1.2.0.0. Logical addresses are taken on by the devices depending on their functionality (as mandated by the CEC specifications document). When the HDMI device menu is brought up on the display (On a Sony KDL46EX720, this is achieved by pressing the Sync Menu button), the display sends a broadcast over the CEC wire to all the downstream devices. It then collects the responses arriving over the CEC wire and presents the user with a list of CEC enabled devices. Choosing one of them ensures that future remote key presses are transferred by the TV to that particular address.

If you are interested in learning about the bus protocol and a bit more in-depth overview, I suggest taking a look at QuantumData's excellent CEC whitepaper (PDF). For more details on the various messages which can be exchanged between the devices, the full CEC specifications from the official HDMI documentation may be perused (PDF).

CEC Solutions for HTPCs

CEC is more popular in consumer electronics equipment compared to HTPCs. As of December 2011, none of the video cards with HDMI output support it. The closest we have come to a big vendor officially supporting HDMI CEC is the Intel DH61AG mini-ITX board with its HTPC header, but it still requires a third party board (something that is not available in the market yet). The HTPC header provides a number of useful features such as a recording LED pin and a CEC pin which can be used by third party boards to implement CEC functionality. You can find out more about the DH61AG itself on MissingRemote.

CEC functionality has been an oft-requested feature from home automation solution developers as well. The first step towards getting CEC functionality in PCs involved some hardware mods as described in this link. A few companies built upon this solution and offered plug-and-play gadgets currently priced around $75. RCAware and RainShadow Tech are the players in that price range. Kwikwai's HDMI CEC-Ethernet-USB-Serial bridge is for high end home automation and is appropriately priced around $370. Kwikwai also runs the CEC-O-Matic website, which helps developers in decoding and creating CEC frames for communication. For the general user, it also gives an idea as to what can be achieved in a home automation system using CEC.

Pulse-Eight's solution, coming in at $48 is the cheapest and most recent option to come up. Since Pulse-Eight works closely with XBMC, support for the CEC adapter comes built into XBMC Eden. In the remainder of the review, we will take a look at the USB CEC adapter package, a description of our testbed, and how we went about installing the drivers. Following this, we take a look at how the adapter works in conjunction with XBMC Eden. In the final section, we will see what lies ahead for Pulse-Eight and its CEC initiative.
 

Setup Notes Introduction Setup Notes Up & Running! Concluding Remarks: What's Next for Pulse-Eight? Print This Article 12 Comments View All Comments Post a Comment TYTYTY by NickB. on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 Really appreciate the love and attention for the HTPC and XBMC world. NickB. Reply correction by shadowarachh on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 it's mini USB.

just sayin... shadowarachh Reply RE: correction by ganeshts on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 oops! sorry, corrected now ganeshts Reply Not on graphics cards by r3loaded on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 Why is this tech not integrated into any graphics cards (whether that be Intel/AMD/Nvidia)? It's so useful, a box like this shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. r3loaded Reply RE: Not on graphics cards by Malard on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 lots of various reasons, mainly support, there are so many variants of the CEC implementation that it is not financially viable for all the vendors to re-roll the CEC library required each time, on top of that, then needing to expose it at the driver level.

If they advertise that their GFX card supports CEC and it doesnt work with that particular TV as expected then the customer will return it, despite the graphics card being fine. Resulting in an expensive lost sale Malard Reply RE: Not on graphics cards by mckirkus on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 Hence "This is an unsupported beta feature" mckirkus Reply RE: Not on graphics cards by Malard on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 Well, its not unsupported in our adapter, but GFX card vendors stay clear etc Malard Reply Can't wait to see this on ivy bridge by Jsw98765 on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 Im really hoping ivy bridge motherboards start including the htpc header. Ivy bridge sounds like a htpc wet dream. I'd love to get rid of the extra wires that my harmony rf extender brings into the picture.

Growing up I was promised a future of flying cars and hover boards, but I'll settle out of court right now for the removal of wires. Induction power, and everything else communicating wireless. Maybe someday, but the cec stuff does sound pretty awesome until then. Jsw98765 Reply Am I correct? by nubie on Thursday, January 26, 2012 If I read this correctly, all one needs to do is solder a single wire on the HDMI port to enable this on any motherboard or graphics card?

Sign me up, I have plenty of re-work style wrapping wire. I don't need a lousy "htpc" header.

If the internal style would plug directly into the usb header and then I solder 1 wire, I would be completely set.

I don't own an HDMI TV unfortunately, but the day will come, and I will be ready. nubie Reply RE: Am I correct? by ganeshts on Thursday, January 26, 2012 You need to get the wire out and also get the logic to read stuff on the wire / write onto it (this is where the Atmel microcontroller in the box comes into the picture). What is read and written is transferred through the USB port and controlled by libCEC / XBMC Eden built-in code. ganeshts Reply Subject Comment Post Comment Please login or register to post a comment.
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Thursday, 1 March 2012

Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt Adapter Now Available

by Kristian Vättö on 2/2/2012 2:00:00 PM
Posted in Storage , Seagate , Thunderbolt

A few weeks ago at CES 2012, Seagate showcased their GoFlex Thunderbolt adapters. They come in two flavors: the GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt adapter takes 3.5" drives, requires an external power supply, and has two Thunderbolt ports; the GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter is suitable for 2.5" drives, is bus-powered, and has a single Thunderbolt port (i.e. no daisy-chaining).

The GoFlex Desk adapter won't be available until later this month, but Seagate has now updated their accessory page and started shipping the 2.5" GoFlex adapter. It's available from Seagate's online store for $100 (no cable included, so that's another $50), which is quite a lot more than a $15 USB 3.0 enclosure, but at least this is better pricing than the LaCie and Promise solutions we have seen so far. Unfortunately, you are still limited to using Seagate's GoFlex drives, but fortunately they are reasonably priced. By way of comparison, a solution using the GoFlex TB adapter and 1TB GoFlex external would cost around $230, whereas LaCie charges $400 for a similar setup.

UPDATE: It appears that a GoFlex drive is not needed and any 2.5" SATA drive should work.

MacWorld has already received a review unit and run a few basic tests. As you might have expected, Thunderbolt is noticeably faster than USB 2.0 but not much faster than FireWire 800. In terms of raw numbers, USB 2.0 had a maximum throughput of 33.7MB/s while FireWire and Thunderbolt had 70.3MB/s and 81.3MB/s respectively. Obviously, the 500GB 2.5" 5400rpm drive is the bottleneck here—the gap would be a lot bigger with a 3.5" hard drive, or better yet, an SSD.

To be honest, the GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter isn't really worth it unless you plan on using an SSD, which requires you to open the GoFlex enclosure and change the hard drive to an SSD, which is not supported by Seagate and may void your warranty. In the case of regular 2.5" hard drives, you're better off with the GoFlex FireWire 800 adapter ($50 from Seagate's online store and no $50 cable required), assuming you have a Mac with FireWire 800—otherwise USB 2.0 should be sufficient as well. For those not using Mac hardware, Thunderbolt may have more bandwidth, but right now USB 3.0 is a far more economical solution.

Source: Seagate

Print This Article 16 Comments View All Comments Post a Comment Not worth it over USB 3.0 by ndelgrande on Thursday, February 02, 2012 The cost of Thunderbolt just isn't worth it to me over USB 3.0. I built a 4TB RAID5 4 disk USB 3.0 enclosure for under $500. USB 3.0's 4.5 Gbps of throughput is fast enough for me. Yes Thunderbolt is twice as fast over copper and even faster over fiber, but right now the storage options are just way too expensive for what you get. I can push data to my USB 3.0 enclosure at 200-300M/B a sec. Price/performance is much better with USB 3.0. ndelgrande Reply RE: Not worth it over USB 3.0 by zorxd on Thursday, February 02, 2012 You probably wouldn't get anymore speed with thunderbolt. The limiting factor is still the hard drives themselves. zorxd Reply RE: Not worth it over USB 3.0 by repoman27 on Thursday, February 02, 2012 For connecting just one or two spinning disks, I'm not sure Thunderbolt will ever make sense, unless you happen to own a 2011 MacBook Air. They will most likely be the only PC's ever sold where the only external I/O options are USB 2.0 and Thunderbolt.

I'm guessing that Seagate reckons that people will buy these because they are essentially just powered Thunderbolt to SATA adapters, so they can easily be used with any SSD's you might happen to have lying around. Unfortunately, even if Seagate is using a SATA 6Gbit/s controller in this product, it's unlikely that Mac OS will have native driver support and so it will end up only operating at 3Gbit/s.

For the record, Thunderbolt provides 5x the bandwidth of USB 3.0 over a single cable. Even if you only consider its PCIe throughput capabilities, it's still 2.5x faster than USB 3.0. However, Thunderbolt would be no faster over fiber than it is over copper. Until we get faster Thunderbolt controllers, fiber will only allow for longer cable runs. repoman27 Reply RE: Not worth it over USB 3.0 by KPOM on Thursday, February 02, 2012 @Repoman, I believe that OS X has support for SATA III. OWC sells 6Gbps blade SSDs for the MacBook Air and 2.5" drives for the MacBook Air, and I thought users have reported double throughput speeds compared with the stock 3Gbps drives. KPOM Reply RE: Not worth it over USB 3.0 by repoman27 on Friday, February 03, 2012 Yes, all Sandy Bridge Macs have SATA 6Gbit/s. However, the only SATA 6Gbit/s controllers that Mac OS X natively supports are the ones included in the Intel chipsets that Apple has used thus far. Third party vendors of SATA PCIe add in cards for Mac Pros have also developed drivers for the controllers that they utilize, but these are often bound to specific hardware.

Folks that bought the HDD based LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk and swapped in SSD's found that although it worked, the Marvell 88SE9182 6 Gbit/s controller was only recognized by Mac OS as an "Unknown AHCI controller", and was only able to negotiate 3 Gbit/s connections. repoman27 Reply GoFlex SATA Connector by crazzyeddie on Thursday, February 02, 2012 Just as an FYI, apparently the GoFlex contains a standard SATA connector, so one could easily use this with any available 2.5" or (with a small extension cable and external power) 3.5" drive.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1425059... crazzyeddie Reply RE: GoFlex SATA Connector by Kristian Vättö on Thursday, February 02, 2012 Thanks, I have updated the article. Weird that I missed that thread and article totally, I should start spending more time in the MacRumors Forums again (FYI, I'm Hellhammer from the forums - a moderator and +20,000 posts :P). Kristian Vättö Reply Ugh by dagamer34 on Thursday, February 02, 2012 Just make a $100 Thunderbolt to USB 3.0 adapter already. -_- dagamer34 Reply RE: Ugh by Malih on Friday, February 03, 2012 Exactly, I'm curious as to why there doesn't seem to be any Thunderbolt USB 3.0 Hub out already. Malih Reply Why bother? by joel4565 on Thursday, February 02, 2012 I still don't understand why companies are trying to push hard drives in the Thunderbolt market when they have very little advantage over USB3. The only things thunderbolt could be really useful for are single cable dock stations, external video cards, and multidrive nas. Anything else, the speed advantage is not going to overcome the price difference, not to mention the fact that almost no computers ship with Thunderbolt yet (excluding Apple). joel4565 Reply Subject Comment Post Comment Please login or register to post a comment.
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